any sense anecdotally or your sense of store traffic as to what sandy's impact was? >> i think it was a drag for most retailers. we heard from kohl's sax, that it was a drag. also the tiffany flagship store represents about 8% of overall sales. so expect to hear the sandy excuse certainly as same store sales roll out and as well from tiffany. >> especially in a year when you expect the push pushes them into the black for the year, actually all the discounting really starting to hurt retailers' bottom lines? >> that's the question. this year discounts were so heavy. so is black friday really turning in to red friday. typically it signifies the beginning of when retailers start making money. but you saw that the promotions were crazy. there were televisions at best buy for under $200. that was a 50% discount. walmart was guaranteeing in stock on ipad 2s giving away a $75 gift certificate. so the question is are they just giving away sales here. >> and that will be something to watch when we he get those figures, too, whether it reflects discounting as much as it does v